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Ep.105 Healing from a Broken Heart with guest Keycia Cobb

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What happens when grief feels like an insurmountable weight on your shoulders? On this episode of the Let's Just Talk About It podcast, we are joined by the courageous Keycia Cobb, who shares her poignant journey through the darkest valleys of loss. After enduring the heartbreaking deaths of her mother, father, and daughter, Keycia offers a raw and honest perspective on grappling with grief, the emotional masks we wear, and the complexities of domestic violence. Her story begins in Dinwiddie County, Virginia, where Keycia's life was forever altered at 22 by the tragic murder of her mother—a painful consequence of domestic abuse. Together, we peel back the layers of anger and confusion, ultimately arriving at a deeper understanding of the difficult choices victims face.

Keycia's narrative doesn't shy away from the harsh realities of dealing with profound loss. We share experiences of feeling isolated, battling with the expectations of appearing strong, and the internal struggle of masking true emotions. Keycia recounts the hidden despair that lingered behind her smiles, revealing how easy it is for pain to go unnoticed by even the closest friends. Our conversation highlights the necessity of embracing one's emotions in their entirety and the courage it takes to say it's okay not to be okay. We explore how bottling up emotions can lead to further harm and stress the importance of authentic emotional expression.

As we round out this powerful session, Keycia's insights into personal growth and resilience shine through. The discussion navigates the transformative power of therapy and the liberation that comes from removing emotional armor. We talk about the role of empathy and genuine support in healing, and Keycia reflects on the newfound sense of purpose that comes with sharing her story. Her words remind us of the importance of acknowledging our hurt without letting it define us, and the strength found in living as one's true self. This episode is a testament to the healing journey, emphasizing that sometimes the most empowering path forward is simply to talk about it.

Chuck:

Hey, welcome back to another episode of let's Just Talk About it podcast.

Chuck:

I'm your host, Chuck, and if you're here for the first time, this platform was created to give genuine people just like you an opportunity to share a portion of your life's journey. So, with that being said, on this episode, I have Kec Cobb on with me today here to talk about the reality of grief and how it felt to lose a mother, a father and a daughter, and how the process of healing has been since then. So if you're going through any grief right now, you don't want to miss this conversation. As a matter of fact, do me a favor go and grab your husband, your wife, your children, or even call a friend and gather around to listen to my conversation with Keisha on let's Just Talk About it podcast. Hey, let's jump right in. Thank you so much for tuning in to let's Just Talk About it podcast, a podcast geared toward giving people the opportunity to share their life's journey, and today we have Miss Keisha Cobb on with us today to talk about her life's journey. So how you doing, Keisha?

Keycia Cobb:

I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.

Chuck:

Absolutely, absolutely. Thank you so much. I love to jump right into my interviews, Keycia, to have those genuine conversations with genuine people just like yourself, and I generally start off with this question when are you from?

Keycia Cobb:

I'm from Dinwiddie County.

Chuck:

Wow, Dinwiddie, Dinwiddie. Where is that located, so people can know?

Keycia Cobb:

Right here in Virginia. It's in the south, south of Petersburg.

Chuck:

Oh, south of Petersburg. Oh, south of Petersburg. Okay, wow, how was that for you growing up in Dinwiddie?

Keycia Cobb:

Oh, I loved it. Learn how to cook.

Chuck:

Okay.

Keycia Cobb:

That good old southern cooking. Grandma and mom taught me, my mom taught me how to cook as a young girl. That was you know. That was what you wanted to do. Yes, you wanted to cook sweet potatoes.

Chuck:

Oh my god don't start stream beans homemade biscuits, let's go potato salad so it's like that real, real soul food cooking.

Keycia Cobb:

Yes. Wow. That good soul food? Yes, and you always had to cook too much because, as Grandma used to say, you never know who's going to stop that yeah.

Chuck:

Where are those days now, gracious?

Keycia Cobb:

Yes, we didn't know that those days were the best days Absolutely.

Chuck:

Absolutely, absolutely, wow. So then, woody, so how was that? You know, as you got older, how was that for you, you know, growing up as a teenager.

Keycia Cobb:

Um, I mean, my mom wasn't strict. I wouldn't say she was strict, but we did have rules and of course it was different compared to now right, you know, we didn't have access to a lot of stuff you used to fight with your siblings.

Keycia Cobb:

Okay, it's my turn to use the phone before the call waiting and all that, yeah. Or or your mom telling you you got 20 minutes and then it's your sister's turn. Then, when you got a call waiting, you better answer that phone, if it's decent, oh man. So yeah again. They truly were the good old days.

Chuck:

Good days, yeah, rotary phones. Nobody remembers that. No more Rotary.

Chuck:

Exactly yeah yeah, so you wanted to come on. Ms Scharnelle Hamlin introduced both of us to each other and she talked about your situation with losing your mom. I know you just mentioned your mom, growing up with her, but there was a situation that you ran into where your mother passed away, you know, and I wanted to bring you on to share that journey, because you never know who's listening and going through the same thing. So could you talk about that moment? I believe you said at the age of 22 22.

Keycia Cobb:

Yes, sir absolutely talk about it yes, um, 22 years old, a Saturday afternoon, packed the kids up, going to see my mom. I had no idea that going to visit her would, you know, definitely be my first traumatic experience and my first experience with grief traumatic experience and my first experience with, uh, grief and um walking into her house and there she was laying in her kitchen. She had been murdered by her boyfriend and and he was there too he had killed himself. So, 22 years old, needless to say, that was traumatic. Yeah, um, she had been, uh, abused by him for a number of years and and she had finally had the courage to leave him. And, you know, unfortunately, her meeting up with him, you know, turned out to be uh, her last meeting wow, it had to be very traumatic.

Chuck:

You talk about domestic violence and she had went through abuse. People see those warning signs, those red flags, and often ignore those red flags, like a person being angry or so forth or controlling you know, you think that was the situation with your mom.

Keycia Cobb:

My mom. She from what I learned later on from my dad. My mom had went through an experience and the reason you know I think that kind of shaped her to kind of accept certain things, um, for men or whatever. So that wasn't her first relationship got you that she was abused but, it was her last um watching it.

Keycia Cobb:

You know I went through a period of being angry with her because I was like you know you let him do this to you. You know, after she passed, but you know, then I started understanding that everybody isn't as strong as the next person. Some people accept it for a number of reasons. It could be because they have no other choice, they have nowhere to go, they don't have the financial means to support themselves. Some people stay because, you know they were taught to stay and stay with your husband. You know, until death do you part or whatever, and sometimes it ends up that you know it does. Death is your only option out.

Chuck:

Wow.

Keycia Cobb:

But with my mom I just feel like she had finally fought back after it was almost 13 years and she finally they had a fight two weeks prior and my mom actually fought back and so I think he knew that she was done that it was no turning back yeah, I think he knew that it was no, no, coming back from it, that she finally had had enough and she was done, and I think he couldn't accept that. Wow, so after that moment, you find your mom, you find him.

Chuck:

How was that moment going forward after that day. You know, find your mom, you find him. How was that moment going forward after that day. You know what I mean. Like I know you say you was angry after she passed, but how was that moment from day to day?

Keycia Cobb:

How did you navigate through that? It was hard. It was hard. I went through a small time where I drink a lot Like I would. I would literally get um, get my kids off the school or whatever, and I would go and get me something to drink and yes, and then I would you know I would drink and then I would take a nap and get my kids.

Keycia Cobb:

So I guess I was almost like a functioning alcoholic for a little bit. It didn't last a very long time, but it was how I felt I had to cope with her death. I never really got the counseling I needed. I went, but looking back, I went because it was expected for me to go.

Keycia Cobb:

But I wasn't open, I wasn't honest, I didn't. You know, I didn't do anything that they suggested I do, except for I took some medication to help me sleep because I would have the nightmares of you know seeing that. Yeah, and for years it would play like a movie in my head Like.

Keycia Cobb:

I would just be sitting there and all of a sudden I could see them and I would, you know, just close my eyes and open my eyes, thinking it was stopping. You know, but I had three small children at the time, so I pretty much had to keep going. But I had it. Yeah, I could not stop. So over 20 years I was grieving and didn't really know it.

Chuck:

Wow.

Keycia Cobb:

I didn't know it, it actually September 24th made 30 years that she has been gone wow, let me ask you this you say you were grieving and didn't even know it.

Chuck:

What does that look like? No, you just explained it, but you said you were grieving, I guess by seeing things in your head, or how did that look?

Keycia Cobb:

so I didn't even realize I was grieving.

Keycia Cobb:

Um to understand how I realized that I was grieving, I have to take you back nine years ago okay, so nine years ago I'm at work and my oldest daughter comes to my job to visit me and um, we chat for a little bit and then she was on her motorcycle and, um, we chat for a little bit and I remember she gave me, handed me something and I turned away from her and I'm like she had like this really big glow around her and I looked at her you look extra beautiful tonight, or something.

Keycia Cobb:

I couldn't explain it. So she, she got on her motorcycle and and myself and several of my coworkers watched her drive off on her motorcycle. A couple of hours later I get a call to come to the hospital that my daughter had been in an accident. So get to the hospital, you know, and they take you in the room and you know they explained that she had been hit by a car and you know that she sustained injuries, um, that she probably wouldn't, you know, recover from, and so that, right, there was like the edge for me that pushed you over, yeah, to the edge yes so I'm like, you know, I kind of lost it after losing her, because losing my mom was hard but losing my child was a thousand times worse.

Keycia Cobb:

And so here I am, my second traumatic well, really my third, because my dad had a massive heart attack two years after my mom. But you know, my dad and I weren't very, very close but he was my dad.

Keycia Cobb:

Yeah, so you know I loved him. But my daughter is like here I go again. Like god, why why do I not get to say goodbye? Why why do you take everybody from me instantly? That was my thinking. I became an angry person. But during all this time everybody, they thought I was the hostess with the mostest. I was. You know, I was Keycia. I was happy. Right.

Keycia Cobb:

And always had to have people around me. Yeah, so after my daughter passed, I started noticing. You know that those people that were with me every week at my house for girls night and my house you know having I'm hosting everybody whosever birthday it is.

Keycia Cobb:

I'm hosting their birthday at my house, because I love to cook and at this point I had started bartending. So I'm looking around and it's like I'm finding myself in here by myself, you know, lost, lost in, you know, my thoughts, like nobody cares. You know, I'm thinking this stuff to myself like nobody really cares about me. Look, you know, friends have become strangers and strangers had become friends because it was the people in the group that, the groups that I was in. They understood me. They understood that some days I was happy and some minutes I was sad, or you know. But my friends thought I had just became this witch, like she's just so mean. She's snapping, you know, at everybody she's doing, you know, and all the good I had done over the years, it just seemed like it meant nothing to these people they, they forgot how, you know, keisha has paid bills.

Keycia Cobb:

Or keisha looked out for me when I didn't have. Or keisha came running to my side when xyz, it was just, it was just. They were looking at how I had become so combative and so angry and so mean.

Chuck:

Wow.

Keycia Cobb:

Not realizing. These same people that I called friends didn't even realize that I had written a 15 page letter and that I had planned my suicide. Wow and that I had planned my suicide. Wow, and these people either talk to me every day on the phone or we video chatted every day and they still did not know.

Chuck:

Wow, but you were functioning. Though, you was functioning.

Keycia Cobb:

I was functioning to a certain degree yeah. I functioned. I had that mask on because I felt like I had to put on a mask for everybody else. Talk about that mask on because I did. I feel like I had. I felt like I had to put on a mask.

Chuck:

Talk about everybody else. Talk about that mask.

Keycia Cobb:

Man. That mask will have people thinking that you are okay, and then you will. You will turn around the same night and you will kill yourself. You will turn around the same night and you will kill yourself. That mask will have the world thinking that you are the happiest person in the world and the whole time behind that mask you're crying.

Chuck:

Good gracious, that's deep, that's deep Wow.

Keycia Cobb:

And it's the people closest to you.

Chuck:

Right, right, let me say this what would you say to a person that's wearing a mask right now? What would you tell them?

Keycia Cobb:

Take that mask off. It's okay to not be okay. It's okay to cry.

Chuck:

That's good.

Keycia Cobb:

This is your journey. Nobody can walk your path of grief but you. Nobody grieves the same. Everybody grieves differently.

Chuck:

Yeah, why do we feel like we have to put on a mask to prove ourselves to people? What is that? You know what I mean?

Keycia Cobb:

I think, because we are our own worst enemy. We think it's expected of us when it's really not. It's really not expected. We just feel that it is and therefore we are so hard on ourselves that you know.

Chuck:

We push ourselves to be somewhere that we are not emotionally.

Keycia Cobb:

That we are not and you don't have to be. You don't have to. I always say it's okay to have a moment. It's okay to have a moment, just don't stay there.

Chuck:

Just don't stay there, that's good.

Keycia Cobb:

Have your moment. You can have 20 moments, but let the moment pass and I feel like it's best to have it. Whatever you're feeling and I learned that whatever you're feeling, feel it. If you want to cry, cry. If you want to laugh, laugh. If you want to uh, jump, jump, whatever you want to do, go through it, because if you don't go through it, then you want to do go through it, because if you don't go through it, then you are eventually going to go through it later.

Chuck:

Right, right, wow. You mentioned, you mentioned that you were I believe it was off off air that you were. You got mad at God. You know what I'm saying and I want to say that I believe God is big enough to take on our emotions. He knows how we feel. You know what I mean, so it's all right to express that to him. Right, wow.

Keycia Cobb:

And I didn't know that. My cousin who's a pastor my daughter, lost her twins back in April and my cousin said something at the funeral and it just was confirmation to me. He said God wants you to ask questions. People say don't question God. He said, but he believes that God wants you to ask questions and I've always believed that God wants us to ask questions. If you don't understand, how will you ever get to understand if you don't ask the question?

Chuck:

Right, yeah, and he understands we hurt. You know that's painful. Your mom, your dad and your daughter back to back, that's painful. I don't care what nobody's saying. You know, if a person has not experienced what you've experienced, they shouldn't say anything.

Keycia Cobb:

Just listen. Yeah, exactly, you know, they shouldn't say anything.

Chuck:

Just listen, exactly you know. Just listen because you might learn something absolutely. That's why I wanted to have you on, because, yeah, we can learn from your voice. And I told you, I believe yesterday, when we talked, I believe you, you were like a sacrifice, you went through those things. So you can have that voice to talk to somebody, so they could say somebody understands what I'm going through, because you've been through that, you know exactly yeah and, and that's why, when I'm on Facebook and I see a mother lose her child, I

Keycia Cobb:

immediately inbox them because I want to help somebody, because I feel like I didn't have. None of my friends had been through what I had been through losing a child or even losing their mom so they didn't understand. So I felt like I didn't have anybody that understood. I had an aunt that lost two children years ago, but her son was 17 and her daughter was like 20 something. Her son was stabbed and her daughter died in a car accident. So she understood, but she was my aunt. She still wasn't a person that you know was my age or somebody I considered a friend or somebody that I saw on a regular basis. They didn't understand.

Keycia Cobb:

So I try to be that person that understands and I always say if you need me, I'm here. You just need somebody. Sometimes you just want someone to listen to you cry. Sometimes you want to be able to talk about your child without being judged or somebody. Not again, you know. Or well, you're gonna have to get over it. Tell me how that's? That was one of my questions, because I did have someone tell me uh, god has spoken, you're gonna have to uh like move on.

Keycia Cobb:

That's what she said to me and I was so hurt because I'm like, how, explain to me how? Because I don't know how I want to, but I don't know how. I tried I had a stroke. In the meantime I stressed myself out. I had a stroke. I didn't walk for almost seven months. I had another episode where, um, I was having migraines and I they thought I had another stroke, but I didn't. But I'm stressing so much that I had complex migraine and a mimica stroke, so I didn't walk for another five months.

Chuck:

Wow.

Keycia Cobb:

And I'll never forget when I had went, and I also have a monitor implanted for my heart. I have a fear.

Chuck:

You have that now.

Keycia Cobb:

Yes, right now. And so I'll never forget, in April of 2021, when another doctor's appointment because I was spending so many, so many days a week going to doctor's appointments it seemed like and my doctor, she, she came in and she sat down and she talked to me and she said you know, I'm Alicia, you're Keisha right now. This is not a doctor patient thing, this is two people talking and she said, and she said I'm gonna ask you a question.

Keycia Cobb:

She said do you want to live? And I just kind of looked at her and she was like you don't have to answer. I know the answer and she told me. She said keisha, if I could go in and fix something, I would fix it. Wow, she said, but you are dying from a broken heart you're the only person that can fix that. She said broken heart syndrome is real. People die from a broken heart. You're the only person that can fix that. She said broken heart syndrome is real.

Chuck:

People die from a broken heart that is so deep, man, and when you said that I had never heard that before.

Keycia Cobb:

Broken heart syndrome I had never heard of it before until she said it and and I was just like you know, and I'm sitting there like okay, because I used to go to sleep every night and pray to god that I didn't wake up and when I woke up I would be pissed off like again you woke me up again. I actually not. I mean, I'm praying I'm praying. I'm asking you not to let me wake up I'm tired.

Chuck:

You was dead serious I, I was serious.

Keycia Cobb:

Every night before I went to sleep, that was my prayer. Because your heart was broken. Every night it was broken. Losing my child was like the last thing that could happen to me. Okay, you've broken me. Now you? Know I'm broken. I have nothing left. I have nothing left, and I do have four other children but, I couldn't even be there for them. I forgot. They lost a sibling, the oldest one, the one that truly kept all of us together.

Keycia Cobb:

She was the one that kept us all together. So, yeah, it was so I had. When I went home that night, because even in the process a lot of my family and friends don't know I I separated from my husband. I bought a house and and I separated from him because I was, I was blaming him for stuff and and it really it was nothing that's deep.

Chuck:

So it's like in that moment of emotion you can like literally push people away if you're not and that's what I was doing, because I never wanted to even my children.

Keycia Cobb:

I pushed them away because I never want, I never wanted to love anybody like I love my daughter again, because I never want to hurt my dedicate. So I don't want to love nobody like that. So everybody pretty much got pushed away. The people I loved more than anything and would do anything for. I pushed everybody away.

Chuck:

Wow. What would you say On purpose, on purpose, wow. What would you say to somebody right now who may be listening, going through the exact same thing? They like having these emotional rollercoaster moments. What would you say to them that are pushing people away right now?

Keycia Cobb:

Find a therapy. Therapy works. Therapy works and I wish I had someone to show me that and tell me that all those years ago, because a lot of things I went through I feel like I wouldn't have. I've been in therapy now. The day after the doctor had that conversation with me, I called the therapist because she gave me a list of therapists, and that night I went home and my grandkids were playing in the floor and I was crying watching them and I made the decision OK, you need you got to call someone.

Keycia Cobb:

And it's been three and a half years and my therapist was like he's eventually, you know you're gonna have to stop, and I'm like he'll act every every couple months. You want to stop and I'm like not yet, you know, but it, the therapy has changed me. It's amazing back then, all those people that I had around me that loved me and adored me, and now I really don't. I don't talk to anybody every day other than my co-workers and my husband, and it's crazy how people love the unhealed version of me, but the healed version of me I think it scares them or they don't like the healed version. It's crazy to me.

Chuck:

They don't like the healed version. They like the unhealed version.

Keycia Cobb:

Yes, and the unhealed version of me had people around me because I didn't have to concentrate on what was wrong with me or the fact that I wasn't happy. But the healing version, I love being by myself. I don't mind. I don't mind.

Chuck:

Yeah, I like what you say. The healing version is ongoing.

Keycia Cobb:

Yes, because I'm healing every day.

Chuck:

Yeah.

Keycia Cobb:

I'm healing every day. Yes, it is a process. Don't think you're going to go in therapy and within whatever is going to be good.

Keycia Cobb:

It's going to be bad, it's going to be pretty, it's going to be ugly, but you've got to be willing to go through it all. And I mean, every week we go through cycles, we go through phases and therapy and a certain thing that sometimes is about my friends, sometimes it's about my friends, sometimes it's about my kids, sometimes it's about my marriage. You know, I feel like we have went through every aspect of my life and I deal with things so differently, but I know that God has turned my pain into purpose now, and that's the difference.

Chuck:

Wow, when you say turn your pain into purpose, talk about that yeah, so my purpose is to help people.

Keycia Cobb:

It's to share the things that that's happened to me the traumas, the tragedies, um to share them with people, if they want to listen, if they want to to hear about it. You can really learn something.

Chuck:

Right, you definitely have a voice. You definitely have a voice.

Keycia Cobb:

Yep.

Chuck:

That, I believe, is going to help a lot of people.

Keycia Cobb:

That's what I want to do.

Chuck:

Yeah, I like the heel version. I like the heel version of Keisha.

Keycia Cobb:

And so do I. I love this Keisha too.

Chuck:

Yeah, authentic. Yeah do I.

Keycia Cobb:

I love this yeah, yeah, authentic, yeah, yes, yes, because that other person wasn't really me, it was, it was who I was choosing, it was whoever I was choosing to be. This is authentic, authentically me. Um, and what amazes me, a couple of weeks ago I was at a funeral and um shout out to pastor crystal jordan um, she's actually my ex-sister-in-law, but we've been knowing each other since I was in second grade, so we kind of grew up together. But for her to walk up to me and she hugged me and she told me she was proud of me and proud of the person that I've become, that meant so much to me.

Chuck:

People can see it, you can see it.

Keycia Cobb:

You can see it. You can see it in my Facebook post what I say. I used to not care what I said. I've always been an outspoken person and back then I would say whatever and didn't care how it came out. Now I approach things a lot differently. You know, my mom told me one time. She said you know, it's not what you say, it's how you say it yeah you can, you can offer, she said.

Keycia Cobb:

You can tell a person your breath stink. Or you can say would you like a piece of gum? She said. Ultimately, it means the same thing, it's just you. You presented it differently. So I am now. I'm a lot more careful, um, and god has been blessing me and and the lessons I'm learning is that god definitely gives us double for our trouble yeah, talk about that he keeps his promises.

Keycia Cobb:

He keeps them I like that your, your, your later is is your. Your ending is better than your beginning, and that's what I'm so grateful for now, because I know that now I'm I'm understanding how god's promises work and that he keeps them, and he's kept them with me. I am happier now than I've been in in almost 30 years. Wow. My marriage is so strong now that's my best friend. Shout out to him I love my husband. Shout out to Jonathan. Shout out to you.

Keycia Cobb:

Jonathan, yeah, yes, because he makes sure that I'm happy. My husband once told me. He said nobody would never know when something's really wrong with you because you never say, you never tell anybody what's really going on with you. And he's right. I go to my appointment, stuff that was going on. I didn't tell him, I didn't tell my kids. I went through stuff by myself going on. I didn't tell him, I didn't tell my kids. I went through stuff by myself and, um, just two nights ago I had. I told my husband. I said you know, I've been sad. I don't know why I've been feeling a little sad. Um, nothing's really wrong. I'm just having my little moments where I feel like I need a hug. And that was big for me because when my daughter passed and my husband would be in the house with me, I would go in a separate room and cry.

Chuck:

I never cried in front of him I don't know why I just didn't just didn't wow, but you've grown from that. You know what I'm saying.

Keycia Cobb:

Oh, you're growing from that I'm growing from that and and now I don't know, I always had this thing about showing weakness and I think it came from, you know, watching my mom go through things with you know things, and and I think you know, and that's the thing I'm working on in therapy now is like you know why, why am I like that? Why was I like that? Why do I feel like I have to go through things by myself, or I, you know, can't let anybody think that I'm weak that's deep.

Chuck:

That's deep because you feel, do you feel like like sometimes people will take advantage if you show them the authentic you, so it's like you protect yourself from that.

Keycia Cobb:

You know what I mean yes, absolutely, and I think that's what it is. But now it's like. You know, the mask is off, you know the guard is coming down.

Keycia Cobb:

You know, don't mess with me though, yes, but don't mess with me though, and I do. I am loving this person and what God is and whoever you know you apologize to a person. You know people. It's people that I feel like I said some things to that I need to talk to, and you know, and like my therapist said, once you apologize, it's up to them, it's all up to them after that, and I'm at the point where I honestly just don't have the energy and I just honestly don't care what anybody, what you think of me is not my problem, that's yours.

Chuck:

I love this conversation. Is there anything you want to leave with the listening audience that would encourage them, you know, with where they are? I like what you said. You know. You said you're growing. You know you're healing. It's a continuation. I like that.

Keycia Cobb:

Every day that you wake up, you grow and you heal, bend, but you don't break and all I can say is just believe and trust in god, pray and find you a therapist that you can trust, that you can go to and that you are ready to be open and honest with, because if you're not open and honest, it's not going to work. Wow. And you have to be ready. When you're ready, it will work for you.

Chuck:

When you're ready to go to a therapist, it will work for you.

Keycia Cobb:

It will work for you and you have to put in work I mean I've had homework and you know stuff like that but it's, it's helped me. I can go back and look at some things and say, I mean, just to go back and look at things I wrote two months ago or three months ago journaling is a big thing Just to go back and look at what's the difference in then and now, what has happened in this month, or start off, little See. Look at what happened. This in a week's time.

Chuck:

I appreciate that. Like I said, you have a voice and I believe that this won't be the last time Keisha Cobbs will be up here. This won't be the last, so I appreciate you. You got many things to share.

Keycia Cobb:

I appreciate you and thank you for allowing me to speak absolutely.

Chuck:

How can people reach out to you if they want to, you know, find you and have?

Keycia Cobb:

a conversation. I'm on Facebook, keisha Cobb, k-e-y-c-i-a-c-o-b-b, that's probably the best way. Inbox me if you know anyone that needs help. That's the other thing. Christmas I try to adopt a child or children that has lost their parents to domestic violence, so if you have anybody you would like to send me the information that would accept help, please do. If they can get in touch with you, that's fine and you can send it to me. Whatever, but I am working on looking for my, my kids, for christmas wow wow, wow.

Chuck:

Thank you so much for being on. Let's just talk about it. Podcast keisha. I really appreciate you.

Keycia Cobb:

Thank you.

Chuck:

Wow, what an amazing conversation. Shout out to Keisha for having this dialogue with me. You know Keisha shared so many things as it relates to grief, but one of the things that really stuck out to me was when she talked about how the healing is a process that is ongoing and that we don't have to wear a mask to cover up how we really feel that it's all right to hurt, but just don't stay there. So again, thank you, keisha, for your encouragement, and I want to thank everyone for always tuning in to let's Just Talk About it podcast, and if you have any media needs, such as videography or photography, you can reach out to me and my partner Low Mills at M&B Media on Facebook. So, as always, until next time, don't hold it in, but let's just talk about it. Talk to you soon, you.